| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 04644 | SpaceQuest3 | General | public | 2020-05-12 17:06 | 2021-01-17 18:49 |
| Reporter | apex | Assigned To | JOTD | ||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | closed | Resolution | fixed | ||
| Project Info | Space Quest 3 (Sierra) http://www.whdload.de/games/SpaceQuest3.html | ||||
| Summary | 04644: Hello, it is about the GERMAN version of this game. The parser understand only | ||||
| Description | GameVersion: german,pal,3 disks SlaveVersion: 1.2-B Hello, it is about the GERMAN version of this game. The parser understand only words with German umlauts like Türe, but not Tuere. If you need now to enter a GERMAN UMLAUT, you have to type o then press shift + ä on the german keyboard and the letter o will change to ö. This is really painful, can it be changed in any way?!? | ||||
| Tags | No tags attached. | ||||
| Machine | A2000 | ||||
| CPU | 68030 | ||||
| CPUSpeed | 50 | ||||
| ChipSet | ECS | ||||
| GFXCard | Picasso II+ | ||||
| ChipMem | 2 MB | ||||
| FastMem | 32 MB | ||||
| Workbench | OS 3.1.4 | ||||
| KickROM | 45 - Kick 3.1.4 | ||||
| KickSoft | None | ||||
| WHDLoad | 18.6beta | ||||
| imported | yes | ||||
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note that to get umlaut you have to press "u" then shift "ä" @Wepl is that even possible? |
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This is normal deadkey processing. The game should get locale/host specific keyboard mapping. Aka SETKEYBOARD. |
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then the alternative would be to change all umlauts words to words without it... damn painful. |
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@apex does this problem also exist when playing from floppies? Sounds unlikely to me. |
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As far as I remember from the past there was not such a problem using floppy disks. But I can check it. |
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This games stays a mystery for me. The German version has a perfect text in the whole game using german umlauts ä ö ü. I tested it from disk and as hd installation under a workbench 1.3, where german umlauts are working in the shell, but not in the game. I checked the manual, there is nothing written how to enter the umlauts, but found a notice: To enter a ö, press ö and then shift + ä. Was not working under the 1.3 WB hd installation. But you have the possibility to change input to english, but output stays German. Crazy. If you are possible to enter a German umlaut, the parser is accepting it! Öffne Türe is the same like open door. A solution could be to patch the input somewhere... tomorrow I will check how the parser from Larry 3 is working in the German version. 8AA5F181-C3B0-466D-9447-E857623C35D1.jpeg (111,539 bytes) |
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game is using a custom keyboard read. Not related to the actual shell. That explains why it's completely different from the shell behaviour. Yes, there is this crazy language mixup option too... Game would need to be deeply resourced to fix the problem. if you can enter umlauts in the shell, what keys are you pressing ? which ones in term of raw keys? (as shown here: http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/rawkey.html) |
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Now ckecked German Larry 3, same here. :-( To enter a ö, ü or ä, you have to enter o followed by shift ä. To enter ä, you have to enter a followed by shift ä and to enter ü, you have to enter u followed by shift ä. Shift ä seems to change the entered letter to the version with umlauts. Very, very strange. An explanation for me, the game is not using the keymap from the OS, but still supporting german & english in one parser. |
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Just the yellow marked keys. Using AmigaTestKit 1.16 I can tell you tomorrow the rae code for these keys. Now I understand why Sierra Amiga games never was the best selling ones. :-) People just could not play them. ;-) Luckily they used this system only for Space Quest 3 & Larry 3. 7EA953C4-4B33-49E4-B76F-ACBBC4B4D367.png (59,194 bytes) |
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I made 3 pictures using AmiTestKit with the raw code and the position. Maybe helpfully? D4F56051-9264-4F76-AE4A-EA4BBCC7FA44.jpeg (49,333 bytes) |
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for french keyboard, I type "o" then shift+% (next to m) and I get the umlaut |
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found a way while inputting the text. The new slave version is able to detect "oe" and "ue" sequences and replaces them by the corresponding umlaut. Deleting an umlaut expands back to the sequence, just in case the umlaut is not what the user wanted. |
